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Title: outlaw hobby car, faster than 9.6v turbo cars
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 06, 2011, 00:40:48
I just started building the outlaw up to be a hobby car and just now finished the steering. I will be installing the electronics in it tonight and should have it up and goin

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc484/4runnerhouse/546f898b.jpg)

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc484/4runnerhouse/f91ff6bd.jpg)
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 06, 2011, 10:48:38
Finished it last night and boy does it haul ass haha. I just have to fix the left hub thats been broken since ive got it.

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc484/4runnerhouse/ca78f864.jpg)

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc484/4runnerhouse/0a0852c6.jpg)
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 06, 2011, 13:04:29
how can the original gears handle all that power?
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 06, 2011, 13:23:57
what motor is used in this with all the hobby electronics
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 06, 2011, 16:03:45
Actually, low gear was stripped out before I got it lol. High gear seems to be a lot tougher.

Since you have to press the wheels off to get the motor out I just left it stock. Currently I'm running the stock voltage which is 7.2v and because of the speed control it's much faster. This is a good way to put it, before it struggle on carpet in high gear. Now it can haul ass across carpet.

The speed control will handle 8.4v so if I get brave I might run one and see what Itl do
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 06, 2011, 20:44:14
i'm really surprised it isnt stripped already.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 06, 2011, 21:20:07
As easy as the low gear went out you would think so but the high gear seems to be doing good. I had it out tonight on the street and its at least as fast as a bandit in low gear. If I do run into any problems with it ill pull off an old tamiya mini straight axle and fix the problem.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 06, 2011, 21:49:46
alright but dont do this to the one i want to buy haha. you may add lights though! ;D
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 06, 2011, 23:33:31
I got the steering much tighter so now it handles really good. Ive been driving it for the last 30 mins. On wood floors it will actually go faster with the motor in the back because it gets traction. Also with the motor in the back it will hold a nice drift. I took it outside and it was booking it out there. Im just itching to race it against a stock one to see how much faster it is.

Since the wheels like to spin inside the tires it really saves the gear box and almost serves as a traction control lol.

Dont worry I wont modify any original or rare working tyco like this haha, it is cool to see this one back on the road and running like most 9.6v cars
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 06, 2011, 23:39:30
yes, i might need you for creating a sweet present for my dad. haha!  i would love to see this little truck be faster than any stock tyco. that would be sweet, having tyco races and you pull out this tiny little one.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 07, 2011, 03:49:32
if you were gonna replace a motor in a bandit witha hobby brushed motor, which one would you choose? im thinking since i have 2 bandits, i wanna first do one similar to what you done with the outlaw plus a new motor , then move onto the brushless bandit, im just not sure what size motor will fit inside the stock bandits housing. i think i will beable to make the gears last a bit since it will mainly be used for speed out in the street and not so much to play with in the yard with alot of forward and reverse moves, also my bandits wheels spin inside the tire also a tad bit, that and along with a digital proportianal set up i think i can ease into it.

i wanna see if i can get the first bandit to run between 20-25 mph, both bandits wheel have the shock mods, and im trying to look at a good starting point of adding some oil filled shocks to the back too, main reason, these bandits stock get kinda loose a full speed, i cant imagine adding 10 mph to that
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 07, 2011, 11:16:35
yeah i noticed that with the wild things.

p.s. preformer i now have two nice working wild things, yellow and black.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 07, 2011, 13:19:37
bandit king, what do you think about the idea of putting a stock type rc18t esc/reciever/micro servo in a bandit with a either stock or something like the fireball 280? would it make a very big difference in speed? looks like stock the rc 18 runs 10-15 i was thinking about the losi mini t stuff but it looks like the servos are limited so i scratched that idea but it was cool the esc/reciever were all in one.


lastly would just the electronics from the rc18 make a difference since it looks like 7.2 volts from what i can tell. accorse im think of trying 9.6v.

in any case i wanna make it where it uses the original battery compartment and looks like it came that way.

Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 07, 2011, 13:20:35
cz, if ya dont get the twin aero working, i stumbled onto a 2 motor esc, i canm only imagine that thing would fly
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 07, 2011, 14:28:47
it runs. since i changed out the plastic pieces but it still doesn;t straiten out like it should but i really think i will sell it. and i'm going to sell my 8 AA's hopper. i'm not really a hopper guy, i will trade you the twin hopper for the lambo!! =] haha
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 07, 2011, 21:19:13
cz, I could help you make any tyco as fast as you could ever want it


First thing in modifying a bandit is to use only the truck without a differential, trucks with the diff have weak gears and any mod motor will strip the gears


You can use the rc18 electronics just fine like I have with the outlaw. On the outlaw just changing the speed control alone doubled the power using the same voltage (7.2v). On a bandit you can do the same and I would imagine running even the 7.2v in the bandit would give you about the same if not more power than a bandit on 9.6v.

If you want to start out with a good brushed motor that will give you as much power as you ever will be able to control than go with the trinity monster 380 17turn motor, its the same one I have in the OFF-ROADER. You can run it with 7.2v and it will be fast as hell and if you have a speed control that runs it with Li-po batteries you can run up to 11.1v and it will totally scream.

If you run a brushless motor in it it will run a little bit faster but the biggest thing about the brushless is that it will hold all the voltage you can throw at it without burning up or needing any maintenance almost ever. If you ever got brave enough to run anything more than the 7.4v and brushless in it, it would either strip the gear or you would never be able to get the thing up to top speed

Remember that lipo and regular batteries put out much different power even at similar voltages and these are the voltages

Ni-cd Ni-mh            Li-po

7.2v                       7.4v
8.4v                       11.1v
9.6

7.4v Li-po batteries will put out much more than the 7.2v nicd or nimh and they actually put out more power than even the 9.6v battery. Running the 11.1v lipo would be like running 2 9.6v batteries.


If you buy a speed control for it go with the mamba 1/18 scale micro pro. Not only will it handle lipo batteries but you can run either brushed or brushless on it. The greatest thing about it is you can plug it into your computer and actually adjust all your power curves and turn your power to where it kicks in exactly how much you want it to. You can ever set the map to where it has hardly any power and at any speed you want it can all kick in. I have turned the power on mine almost all the way down and its still more than enough. There are about 20 different things you can adjust on the speed control.


So basically you can run stock rc18 with the monster 380 and a 8.4v nimh and it will be all the power you could want or you could get a brushless and leave it at 7.4v lipo, be able to turn it down so you cant accidentally strip gears or spin out and still have all the power and speed you could want and your run time can be well over an hour on a lipo

Heres what to consider in making the truck go excess speeds:

1.   What actually limits the top speeds of these trucks is the stability. To be able to achieve extreme high speeds would #1 require an exactly precise steering setup where you have absolutely no play in it and it must be arrow straight. Any movement in the steering will cause it to go out of control and crash horribly.

2. The suspension must not only be able to handle any little bumps that you know will be a factor at speeds but also be able to respond with the given surface. Whats happening is that the truck already is constantly bouncing meaning that the truck is breaking traction and the tires aren't locked to the ground, that is why they spin out so easily. The rear suspension just simply cannot travel as fast as it needs to respond due to there being more weight carried by the axle than the back of the truck. You would absolutely have to convert the front suspension and at least soften the rear. Not doing so the truck will be bouncing so much that any throttle above 25-30mph will cause a spin. Adding weight can help make up the difference and let the axle respond instead of just moving the entire truck up. As you know, the rear suspension stock serves almost no purpose besides a light cushion.

3. You can only go as fast as the tires will allow. Anything over 30mph and the tires will most likely start expanding which will not only cause them to possibly come off the wheels but also being as old as they are could damage them. The tires might be able to handle 30mph or even up to 60mph.


You may not be building a car to go more than 30mph but what you need to do is scale this down and us it for your advantage for any speed you want it to go. Anything more than stock and you need it to handle and be as stable as it can. Having a locked rear axle makes it much more likely to spin out than having a diff which you cant use in this case so anything to keep the truck straight is crucial to going hi speeds.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 07, 2011, 22:33:02
thanks bandit king.....simplified it for me a bit!!! i was looking at that esc the mamba pro actually, i liked the idea of the li pos, since they can be had small enuff that possibly 2 cells could fit in the battery tray with no mods, it appears you can get them in different sizes. ill probally buy the 2 parts you mentioned and go from there. now to find a good rx and servo and ill be on the track.

i kinda like the idea of going the brushed route cause iam hoping to retain the original look,


i seen you said you may beable to get some aluminum gears made for a bandit, when/if you get that going put me down for a set! perfect for the brushless bandit
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 07, 2011, 22:53:27
will a 380 fit in the bandits diff?
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 07, 2011, 23:13:59
Make sure you get a nice FM radio and don't consider an AM since they have a lot of interference.


When I have him make some I will get him to do 5 or 6 sets, I will keep 3 and sell the rest for x amount.


Yes they are the same size
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 07, 2011, 23:36:03
Remember the wheels are pressed on and to get the motor out you must press the axles back out. Most people destroy the wheels when trying to press them off but if done careful and with the right tooling it can be done without harming the wheels
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 07, 2011, 23:57:07
well luckily i found with just the right finess you can get the motor out of the bandits without removing the wheels, however i also found out i could remove one wheel by really gentley holding one wheel and twisting the other, accorse it takes a concoction to put it back on without dinging the wheel.


sounds good on the gear sets, be sure and keep me at the top of the line on at least one set, id rather go brushless this route than any other way
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 00:22:14
well i like these guides, and put me right after preformer for atleast a set. along with a set of bandit stickers.

do you think one of you could make a video of making it hobby grade, i'm very tentitive about all this since i have no experiance what so ever. includinding the shock set up.

so i know some parts needed like the kind of motor, the rc18 electronics, a solid axel rear, what else?
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 00:25:02
yeah you can pull the motor out without taking the axles off but you still have to take the axles off because to put in a modified motor you need to modify the motor plate to hold the new motor. The thing is the stock motor isnt screwed in, its pushed on to 2 little tabs molded into the motor plate and they can break easily under power. The OFF-ROADER had the same thing so I took the plate out and drilled the holes out and mounted the motor with screws. A lot of the time the center of a modified motor has a bigger diameter than the stock motor and wont allow it to go all the way on the the plate so most the time youve gotta drill that out too which means taking the case apart
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 00:41:14
i didnt even think about that aspect of it, what exactly is your method of removing the wheels
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 00:42:41
cz, ill at least post some detailed pics, but this being my first, it may scare ya away from it lol......we better let bandit king to the narrated video..
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 00:54:41
fair enough, i just need a step by step guide haha
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 01:03:10
I wouldnt mind making a video of some of these conversions, just need an open sunday.


When I get the gears made I will post the extras here 1st as well as the decals
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 01:15:43
alright cool. but preformer and i get dibs!

would you be able to list what is needed for the shock set up?
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 01:25:07
There are several ways to get them off. One of the ways I did it worked on a new bright rc truck


1.  evenly support the entire backside of the the wheel with the vice mounted on a work bench. Gotta be creative on what you use to support the wheel while its on a vice. once the wheel is flat and supported, take a thin punch and hammer on the center of the axle until it falls out. I did this to repair a front hub on a 4WD new bright jeep from 1993

2. carefully twist each wheel allow the fitting to slide off. Make sure you pull both wheels outward that way the hex can get as much bite on the wheel to try to keep from stripping out the wheel. I did this also on the same new bright jeep and twisting it spun out a press fitting and it no longer held pressure so i had to glue that hub to get it to hold, be very careful this route

3. take hacksaw and cut the axle off, the case will then come right off haha


heres an updated pic of the finish outlaw conversion

(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc484/4runnerhouse/93e88c09.jpg)
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 01:28:24
yeah the number 2 method is the one i used before, i was even lucky that i was able to re use the pressed on nut.


number 3 sounds good, think ill try that right after i snapp the whole housing from the chassis to get a better look at it
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 01:39:30
haha i like number three.

and what no engine in the bed??!!  can you get it to wheelie?

it looks good i certainly wouldn't expect it to be fast.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 01:46:27
for the conversion here is what you need:

1. RC18T rear shock tower

2. RC18T front shocks

Thats pretty much it, there some simple hardware to mount it and some very careful cutting.

If you look back I made a big post on this about 3 years ago
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 01:48:57
oh man that is probably in the archives.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 01:53:29
This is the sleeper version of the outlaw haha

With the battery in the only place it can mount it positions the weight so far forward that it keeps the wheels down, but if you hit the right bump it will wheelie especially with the motor in the back
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 01:53:36
it is in the archives, his thread showed his modded bandit and his mint bandit which you have the picture from, that thread is the first one i stumbled on when i got on this site, but i dont remember it saying exactly which parts were used
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 01:59:20
nice i like it the sleeper version.

i found the post of your bullet proof shocks but there wasn't any detailing about how you did it.

i also saw a post of you trying to find the lambo's with the big remotes. did you get one from that guy that said he had some?
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 02:06:02
Wait what? Where? who has the lambo with the big remote?


I will make a post here soon about how to do it

Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 02:08:50
you made a post back in 2008 and the guy said he had both and was listing them on ebay but said to contact him, he said he'd keep them but money might talk
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 02:21:43
I just emailed him to see if he still has them, I have a feeling they are the single turbo version but who knows.

Maybe he still has em
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 02:28:24
i did too haha
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 03:13:25
im in luck i had forgotten all about a bandit diff i had taken the wheel off of for another bandits diff, one was old style the other was newer style, looks like im a step ahead of things now as far as motor fit, i ran across it when looking for parts to fix the blaster i got
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 03:16:28
what was wrong with the blaster?
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 03:39:44
it had no remote so i had to take the remote that came with the red bandit and fix it which it works now, but the lo gear was stripped and hi didnt sound to good, looks like it was played with in sand to me. i swapped the diff with one, but i forgot the diff i put in was actually a solid axle bandit rear that had somehow snapped something making it only a one wheel wonder, gears are fine but im gonna have to do something about the axle deal since with one just the left wheel spinning it doesnt hardly wanna turn to the left, just pushes it forward
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 03:42:29
i will say, iam not a buggy type guy but even with the bad gear, the blaster is actually cooler than i thought, im gonna try and talk my 8 year old into trading me back the nikko scorpion for the blaster
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 03:49:32
HAHA, trade with the kid
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 04:12:05
I had the same thing on a wild thing hopper where one wheel would spin, ill have to show you tomorrow how I fixed it. Fair warning, this hopper is a junker but runs awesome so I fixed it the only way possible haha.

You can also press off the wheel and put a new one on, that is if your wheel is stripped
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 04:26:30
wheels not stripped, i was drivin the beater bandit in a parking lot awhile back, and was doing donuts and hit part of a drain in the parking lot, after that only one wheel would spin the other just free wheels axle and all, this was a solid axle one too, it sucked because the gears were the smoothest sounding ones yet
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 13:00:33
It sounds like somewhere in the case you broke the axle somehow. Thats the only way only one wheel can spin, other than stripping out the wheel or stripping out the press fitting. I guess it wouldnt hurt to saw the axle off at this point since you will need to put another one in there anyway. What im wondering is how one wheel is spinning yet the axle wont just slide out
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 13:17:12
iam wondering that same question.



also, this i would be a shot in the dark effort, but ive been thinking about getting on apart and taking the gears out and then comparing them to some of the different bags of gears you can get for hobby r/cs, you would think that with all the different sets out there you could piece together enuff gears to replace with hobby stuff
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 13:34:13
You know there are a ton of gear sets out therefor hobby cars, usually 32, 48, 64 and tamiya metric pitch. Tyco gears look closest to the 32 pitch gears but I have a feeling they have their own pitch. I might check them today while im at the hobby shop since I brought the wild thing.

I will end up having aluminum gears made that will hold all the power these can handle because finding the right gears to match would take ages and most likely would still need modifying to work
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 17:27:14
got it figured out on the axle problem, come to find out theres 2 axles in all the rear diffs that are the older style like what was used in the bajabandits, hoppers, blaster, and wild things whether 1 wheel spins the opposite direction or even if its a posi type where both spin the same direction.

the difference is how the left axle connects to the gear in the middle that attaches the two axles. on the posi type, both axles slide into the center gear with a hex type fitting like the wheels have, that locks them both in place, the other style instead of using a hex on the end it has a gears, that gear spins inside of the big gear which has 2 small side gears and when these are sping the spin the other half of the big gear that the right axle is connected to.


as for my diff that only 1 wheel was spinning, the plastic piece that the right axle slides into with the hex shape had stripped out a bit, but luckily that big gear comes apart and i was able to use the piece from the other style diff to fix it.


i also found out that the older style rear diffs with the small lever for hi/lo that hangs off the back of the gear box like in the blasters, older baja bandits and hoppers, they dont all have the same gear ratios, the bandit from what i could tell had lower gears than the blaster does, but im not sure if that is one difference in the open-and locked diffs- or a difference in which car the diff was going to be used in


now the newer style diffs like the eliminators and newer bandits had are a different animal, they are a solid axle, and i dont think ive seen any that style that have a differential.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 18:52:37
Yeah they made several different types of axles and motors for these. The bandit had 2 different axles and ones without 9.6v on the side had a differential, thats the easiest way to tell.

Out of the blaster, wild thing, shocker and other cars from 90-94 they all had the axles geared for high speed, just later ones came with a better motor.

Rear axles:

1. locked with short ratio-blaster, wild thing, shocker etc

2. locked with tall ratio-bandit 1 and 2 etc

3. open with tall ratio bandit 3, eliminator etc
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 19:38:33
i went thrue my bandit parts, looks like i have a now good bandit diff, and im pretty sure the other one i stumbled onto in my junk drawer was an eliminator diff, iam really kinda hoping it is, since the inside is like brand new, iam wanting to use it for 1 of the bad boy bandits since it has a taller gear ratio.

in any case im almost set to go, i did find they make a tool for 8 bucks to remove the pinion gears from the motors, think imma get one to try and not mess up my gear when i swap motors.

you think a 2s li po battery will fit in the bandits batter tray? looks like it would to me but thats goin off pictures, iam either gonna go that route or just use a nimh 9.6 so i can keep it lookin stock
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 08, 2011, 19:59:37
If you look under my project wild thing post It shows the tools I used to get the pinion off. You also need to put the motor in a vice. Unless you a super careful you will mess up the pinion. That puller would probably be a good idea to get especially for $8.

They make 2s lipos in all kinds of sizes and the more mah they are the more space they take up. Ive seen one that looks like it would fit almost exact so I know there a good one out there for the battery tray
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 22:23:31
hey when you get the puller could you post a picture of it?
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: performerrpm on January 08, 2011, 22:55:30
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=motor+gear+puller&_sacat=0&_odkw=r%2Fc+puller&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313



this is a link to alot of different ones but not the one i had in mind, i gotta find the page it was on
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: czstycor/c on January 08, 2011, 23:06:54
snap it is like a mouth peice puller, like i use on my trombone haha just a lil different and smaller.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 16, 2011, 18:26:29
I just had a head to head with the stock outlaw and the hobby outlaw. From a dead stop the hobby outlaw pulls hard away from the stock and its not even close.


I also got out my bushnell $130 radar to see if I could record some speeds from the two. I was running them inside on a wood floor with about a 30 foot runway. I got the stock outlaw to read speeds of 13mph and the modified outlaw would hit 17mph. Im not sure how accurate these numbers are but the radar will not pick up anything less than 10mph and I know they were both doing more than 10mph. I will probably get somebody to hold the radar outside while I run them to get an accurate measure. It was very accurate when running my other cars doing well above 40mph so I think I just need to be outdoors for it to pick up right.

If I can get the radar just right, I will radar all the tyco cars I have for the real speeds. Its kinda hard sitting on a floor with the radar in one hand and the control in the other. My other approach was using a rubber band to hold down the trigger and setting it between my feet then controlling the car with both hands, just i think having the radar that close and low to the ground throws it off.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car in progress
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 16, 2011, 19:37:23
You guys wont believe this but I just raced the bandit vs the modified outlaw and it was such a close race I could barely tell which was faster. I actually had to line the 2 up perfect so they would go in a straight line then hold both remotes and let em go. The bandit seemed to have just a hair better acceleration but the outlaw was always next to it or ahead. Just as soon as I got them perfectly lined up to go in a perfect line the battery started dying on the outlaw. I ran the outlaw for about 45 mins and the bandit about 20 mins before racing the 2 and I wanna charge them both up and do it again next time with another driver.

All in all I think the outlaw is actually a little bit faster. I was clocking the bandit just before and was seeing 15-16mph, whereas the outlaw was showing up 17mph which I thought was off. Maybe this will give you an idea of just how fast the modified outlaw really is. Soon I will have them both charged up and both running side to side to see which really is the fastest. If the bandit is much slower next time I will be doing a hobby bandit as well and expect to see it in the 20mph+ range
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car, faster than 9.6v turbo cars
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 17, 2011, 14:36:12
Now that ive outrun the bandit im gonna run it against the wild thing and the twin turbo lamborghini to see how they stack up. Now im itching to do the same to a bandit and lamborghini and see how much faster they will be too.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car, faster than 9.6v turbo cars
Post by: czstycor/c on January 17, 2011, 22:48:56
nice hope you get some videos up
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car, faster than 9.6v turbo cars
Post by: performerrpm on January 21, 2011, 04:58:19
well there will be one bandit thats not gonna get out ran by the outlaw....lol


i just got my shock parts and did the first one, i didnt get enuff small stuff to do both. its so much easier than i thought it would be, i just have some triming to do around the original shock area that im gonna sand off with the dremmel, but otherwise its done, its nite/day comparison in the front just smashing down or dropping the front end down on the floor.
next will be to get some hobby rear shocks and fit them to it, also im gonna see if theres some trimming on the gear box that will give it a lil more travel in the back, but i wont do that til i have some shocks.

looks like ill just bite the bullet for the mamba esc so i can run it with a 9.6 nimh battery pack. hopefully 45 mph+ will be doable with the eliminator gears and lipo in the future, iam only shooting for top speed, hopefully i can get it where it doesnt get full power at once and strip the gears
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car, faster than 9.6v turbo cars
Post by: performerrpm on January 21, 2011, 05:23:13
tbanditking, have you looked at the mamba sidewinder micro? does brushed or brushless and lipo or ni cd and also 15 volt max, looks like all the bandit could ever use and at 60 bucks not to bad. what do u think?
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car, faster than 9.6v turbo cars
Post by: performerrpm on January 22, 2011, 02:28:30
i did the other bandit, both bandits are set up for it, but only parts to finish one, anyhow, the one that was a running bandit with only a shock problem is now fixed and what a difference it made. i compared it to the non modded black one thats like new, if you stand them both up on there back bumper and drop, the modded one doesnt even bounce once, the stock bandit bounces 2-3 times.


when i jumped it to test it out, the front is silent no clunks ust a smoot landing til the back hits the ground then it bounces and makes some noise, im gonna do the back shocks next, the plan is to use the little shock screws with the ball that sticks out about an 1/8th inch away from the base of the screw, drill and install in the body peg the stock shocks mount too, this should move the shocks to the inside at the top and let the suspension move a little better, that and the better shocks i think the bandit maybee upto the task of going fast!
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car, faster than 9.6v turbo cars
Post by: performerrpm on January 22, 2011, 02:34:34
oh yeah, nevermind drilling holes for the shock mount.....too much a pita!!!!

i used a small pic heated it up after scratching the spot for the holes, used the pic to make nice round holes in the plastic.

since my 2 bandits im using had been fixed before by melting the shock tower back, i decided after breaking them back off to take the dremel and sanding roll and take the 3 little ridges off the chassis and smooth out both sides of the chassis so you couldnt even tell there ever was stock shock mount there
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car, faster than 9.6v turbo cars
Post by: performerrpm on January 22, 2011, 17:47:38
got me a radio and reciever, probally not the greatest but i think it will work with the what im trying to do, its a traxxas 27.255 deal, was gonna maybee buy something fancy but, for 15 bucks i figured this is worth a try

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rt=nc&nma=true&item=280615681248&si=eQv%252FZjWlB%252FEJ%252Bk4yMiayDiDlICA%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBSA%3AUS%3A1123


hopefully it will work with the mamba sidewinder and ill be set
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car, faster than 9.6v turbo cars
Post by: Tyco Bandit King on January 22, 2011, 19:38:42
Do not get the sidewinder, its junk. In order to be able to tune the car you need to get the mamba micro pro speed control. You can plug it up to the computer using the castle link and tune all the power settings, its worth all $20 more.

After building tons of ungodly fast rc cars that are not supposed to be fast the best advice I can offer you is not to start out with a hi-volt battery. If you are using brushless get the lowest volt battery like a 7.2 to get you warmed up. The car will have enough power that you probably wont need much more till its uncontrollable. You will be surprised how fast 40mph is with something that small and the trouble isnt getting to that speed its how to stop. A 40mph+ crash and you can kiss the whole car good bye so just be super careful and warm up before you go trying to break 40mph, that is if you have the radar to track it. If you see 30mph you will think its 50mph and trying to control a car that small at 30mph is a real task even if you know what your doing.

I have started out using my rough wild thing to convert to a hobby car and do speed runs in since its no loss if it gets wrecked. I installed the losi 370 motor and will be using the micro pro with a 7.4 and fm radio. I will probably turn the power all the way down to start till i see what its really capable of. For a car like this its gonna require 2x the stopping distance than running distance so keep that in mind when you go out to test it and do not drive it on anything thats not perfectly flat.

As far as running the motor, if you plan on either doing 7.4v lipo and or running brushless then make sure you take the axle apart and drill the holes out on the motor plate and screw the motor in so it doesnt flex or break off the plastic tabs.
Title: Re: outlaw hobby car, faster than 9.6v turbo cars
Post by: performerrpm on January 23, 2011, 02:09:17
thanks for the info, ill use the micro pro, at just 20 bucks more, i was gonna go ahead and go with a brushed motor probaly just the same one you used in the wild thing, its cheap at 20 bucks, the first thing ill do is get the motor put in the diff right now that ive mastered the wheel removal...........i can pop a set of wheels off a bandit without a scratch in about 1 minute, i can put them on almost as fast.